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Jerry Offline



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Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:21 pm
#21 RE: MOMENTE reply

Yes, and those individual sections are printed at about half the page size of the complete score, which makes them a lot easier to manage on the confines of an ordinary desk-top.

Robin Maconie Offline



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Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:03 pm
#22 RE: MOMENTE reply

No Jerry, I am talking score cut-and-paste here, which computerwise is easy peasy. We just need to distinguish original fixed material from subsequent link material, including the Fellini inspired "Komm' Doch Herein!" (KMD) intro. Since MOMENTE is a decision tree of "moments" each representing a state, changing the order by following an alternative Markov chain does not affect the content of a moment, though the altered sequence may change a listener's perception of it (as also for the order of parentheses in Boulez's beloved Mallarmé). Stockhausen's embrace of moment-form acknowledges Information Theory, and also structuralism in relation to Chomsky's internalized grammar and AI. The composer's treatment of structural relations from a humanistic and personal perspective is a new departure for him, and I am still waiting for confirmation on this site that in his conversion to benign hippiedom after the loss of Meyer-Eppler was driven by loyalty to Cage, his relationship with Mary B and the anthropological writings of Levi-Strauss, Malinowski, and others. Or is the citation of Malinowski in Momente entirely irrelevant?

Jerry Offline



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Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:14 am
#23 RE: MOMENTE reply

Oh I see, Robin. I thought you intended a full-blown performance that could be revised at the push of a button. No, of course creating a graphics programme to incorporate the score of MOMENTE would be feasible, and it would probably be a lot easier to deal with than the paper score, when trying things out. I have to say I am a little uneasy still about the rules governing the inserts, which would certainly have to be thoroughly understood before any such automated system could be implemented.

Adorján Offline



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Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:48 am
#24 RE: MOMENTE reply

James, please allow me a simple question with regard to the CDs of Stockhausen Verlag and Wergo because I am still confused. The Donaueschingen version is about 58 minutes long on BOTH editions. So they seem to be the same. Is this the case? If this is true, Wergo does not present anything new.

James Offline




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Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:14 pm
#25 RE: MOMENTE reply

Other than the packaging and liners and the fact that the 3-disc Stockhausen Edition also includes the complete 1972 version, they are the same regarding the 1965 versions. Props to Wergo though for putting out a steady stream of quality KS releases, historical and new.

James Offline




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Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:44 pm
#26 RE: MOMENTE reply

Video/Audio excerpt from one of the latest performances up on YT ..



Published on Apr 1, 2014
Karlheinz STOCKHAUSEN
Momente
Europa Version 1972
pour soprano, quatre groupes choraux et treize instrumentistes

Julia Bauer, soprano
WDR Rundfunkchor
Ensemble intercontemporain
Peter Eötvös, direction

Thierry Coduys, projection du son

Enregistré à la Cité de la musique le 25.03.2014

Christian Offline



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Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:41 pm
#27 RE: MOMENTE reply

Just discovered: an old tv report from 1968 about MOMENTE, MIKROPHONIE... and an interview!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeH9vJFwtoc

Quote: "I think also for conservative ears it's still half-way tolerable..." :-)))

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