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Morag Offline

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Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:24 pm
Altenberg cathedral reply

Those of you interested in spiritual and architectural influences on Stockhausen, and his biography/early years might be interested to know that the website of Altenberg cathedral now has a "virtual tour" with a number of panoramic images.

Not quite as impressive as the real thing, of course!


paul-miller Offline

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Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:27 pm
#2 RE: Altenberg cathedral reply

This a very clean 360-degree panorama of the interior of the cathedral. But it leaves out the unforgettable experience of visiting the place. An ordinary visitor would approach the cathedral by descending into the valley, walking across the grounds, and having the experience of walking through the doors. To me, that is one of the most remarkable things about this site -- its idyllic surroundings. Surroundings which, in Stockhausen's youth, would have been immeasurably more grim, given the work he had of looking after the dead and dying.

Jerry Offline

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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:14 pm
#3 RE: Altenberg cathedral reply

Paul, I think you may be conflating two different periods in Stockhausen's life, though possibly the memories of Altenberg comforted him during his time as a stretcher-bearer near Bedburg, which is on the other side of the Rhine and about forty kilometers from Altenberg.

Ulrich Offline

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Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:10 pm
#4 RE: Altenberg cathedral reply

Somewhere I read of Stockhausen as a child in the Altenberg cathedral praying in front of a statue (or was it a painting?) of St. Michael - and now I cannot find the reference any longer. Has anybody an idea?

Adorján Offline

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Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:08 pm
#5 RE: Altenberg cathedral reply

It is a statue. The reference can be found in TEXTE, as far as I remember, in an interview. In a few days I am back at home and can tell. Maybe someone else is quicker.

Jerry Offline

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Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:38 pm
#6 RE: Altenberg cathedral reply

There is a wooden statue there of Michael, but it is not visible in the panoramic photos. It is not exactly age-old, however. It was carved and installed in the cathedral at the time Stockhausen was a child living in Altenberg (I do not at the moment recall the exact year, I think about 1936). Its style is very much of that era.

I think there are several references to this statue in TEXTE, and also to an impressive painting of Michael in the church in Xanten, where Stockhausen was in a resident teachers' training school during the war.

Morag Offline

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Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:35 pm
#7 RE: Altenberg cathedral reply

The panorama function does let you have a look at the statue, though you have to fiddle about with the controls a bit.
If anybody does know the exact location of references to the statue in TEXTE I'd appreciate the info, I was recently looking for exactly this (and other stuff) and couldn't find references to this statue exactly, although lots generally to Michael iconography.

kathinka Offline

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Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:15 pm
#8 RE: Altenberg cathedral reply

there is a huge MICHAEL statue at the right in the back of the church when one enters! Please do not miss the concert on July 1st.

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Joe Offline

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Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:08 am
#9 RE: Altenberg cathedral reply

Here is a very blurry image I took of the Altenberg statue:

Ulrich Offline

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Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:23 pm
#10 RE: Altenberg cathedral reply

Thank you for the foto - I simply could not remember!

I feel that it could be useful to have a discussion-forum on the music of Stockhausen. There are so many people from all over the world, young and old, learned and eager to get into contact with this musical world: musicologists, composers, musicians, music lovers; people who plan concerts - who write books or have to give lectures and so on. So there should be much stuff, many ideas that we can share. And when we have open questions, there may be people who studied just that and could give a hint or a stimulus. A problem might be the English language, but i feel that is the only possibility that many people who are interested can participate. And we can exercise tolerance to mistakes! Thomas Ulrich
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